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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 21, 2011 4:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Hi Ho bkidwell

Ha! I just got your handle. Must concentrate.

A few questions please, they are show dates.

Do you have an '89 Grail show (mentioned already)?

Hit me with the best, '92 (if possible), '93, '95. I have 10-5-94 cued up. bkidwell, please, and I trust you, no cruel and unusual punishment.

Finally, What is one of your easy nominees for best show '92-'95?

I'm in the clutches of a particular Playin' post. Very early in the game though. That song grew wings quickly. I don't think, for a core GD song, that ever happened to such an extent. I would say D/S, but it came and went while PITB was always there. And Thanks.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 21, 2011 5:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hi Ho bkidwell

Hey there Micah, I wish I had a lot more secret knowledge of late-era hidden treasures, but apart from that almost uniquely adventurous 7/19/94 PITB I wrote the big post about, I think most of the nuggets are either already known, or are of pretty minor significance.

In terms of 89, my choices are about as conventional as you can get - all four of the Dark Star shows and the NYE run, with 10/16/89 being my favorite of all. I know some people consider it to be a bit of a "setlist-fest" without as much meltdown as the 10/9 or 10/26 Dark Stars, but it is still a jam-heavy show where the band steps up to the challenge of their own history and meets it. Hardly a hidden treasure though!

I can't help much with 95, I think 95 is just straight up bad and all I listen to is the AUDs of the first couple Unbroken Chains for crowd energy, and the final two Jerry songs from the Last Show.

92 is also in the "not really worth listening to" category for me - 95, 92, and 86 are the years that I put in the "for research purposes and special recommendations only" category. The Dick's Picks 27 12/16/92 is the best I've heard, although the 6/20/92 RFK Casey Jones bustout is a great moment.

93 though is a different story. I find the June 93 tour, Jerry's last tour with Rosebud, to be a really beautiful swan song for Jerry's rock style and tone. Did Jerry manage to get clean of narcotics for this tour? His guitar playing is often incredibly precise, there are a lot of moments from this tour where he plays with as tight rhythm and subdivision as I have ever heard. The setlists this tour are usually unexciting and there is little out-there jamming other than space, but for Jerry Garcia's guitar chops, June of 93 is a very unusually strong month to my ears. There is a cluster of strong shows in the first half of the tour, 6/8/93 and 6/9/93 are both worth hearing but I think 6/11/93 is overall even stronger:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd93-06-11.sbd.gans.19217.sbeok.shnf

Jerry's absolutely crystalline and Mozartean playing in the Foolish Heart, Phil's emphatic prominence in the mix, the abundance of jamming in the 2nd set, make this a recording that is strong for any post-hiatus year, not just 93. Only real negative issue is the sorry state of Weir's vocal cords for this tour, I believe he had surgery to remove a nodule shortly after.

Since I bailed on 92 and 95, I'll offer another good 94, the 3/21/94 Richmond show with Lovelight->Stella Blue->Lovelight out of space, and the Stella is one of the famous ultraemotional 94 versions, really tearjerking singing once Garcia gets into it. Also a big jam out of He's Gone that goes into an instrumental-only Matilda, and plenty of strong playing throughout the show:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-03-21.sbd.ladner.6258.sbeok.shnf

I agree with the conventional wisdom that even if you enjoy aspects of the final years, it is hard to find very many shows that are strong from beginning to end and there are a lot of "must skip" tunes like Easy Answers and Vince's originals that mar even the performances which are otherwise good.

I'm a pretty selective listener even to the best years, if I don't feel like listening to Mexicali Blues or Tennessee Jed for the ten billionth time (and I usually don't) I skip them regardless of whether or not it's a 72 or 82 show.

So, even though I listen to a lot more late era shows than most listeners with my level of GD devotion, a lot of it is hopping around to hear the post-Terrapin jams that are distinctive to the late era, the Playins, the spaces, the Slipknots, the Bird Songs, and whatever songs are my particular favorites, usually the material most people agree is strong like Let it Grow or Mississippi 1/2 step or New Speedway Boogie.

So overall my perspective is only mildly revisionist - up until 95, the GD were more competent on a musical level than many realize. True, genuine "train wrecks" of songs such as 6/22/88 Stella Blue (what the hell happened to Jerry on that one!?) or lots of examples from summer 95 are rare. Even though I think the musical chops are there, and I don't mind old voices or the "artificial" sound too badly, there is still a problem with an absence of intersong continuity, poor setlists, Dark Star fading away to triviality, Vince, the Healy to Cutler transition, so there are just a lot of flies in the ointment. A show like 9/13/93 has some great playing and some things that make you grit your teeth. [Tubular Bells Space (yay!) -> Easy Answers (nay!), there's a Dark Star (yay!) but it lasts less than six minutes (nay!]

There are still enough positive elements like Jerry's excellent late originals and some fresh elements that took shape in the jams once the post-Bruce lineup settled in (for instance, some of the late Bird Songs go to a surprisingly dissonant and free place that feels exciting to me) that make me believe 93 and 94 are a valid evolution and shouldn't be excluded from the canon, but I don't think I can pick a single show to represent the 92-95 era, nothing is really worthy of a "pedestal". I think that taking the best of June 93 (which would take selections from about 5 different shows that tour) and the best of October 94 (similarly selected from 5 different shows) would be required to get "composite shows" of really high quality.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 21, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hi Ho bkidwell

Thanks for your hearty response. And the recs.

Nothing from '95? 3-18, 2nd? (Even I have one show.)

I thought you had a '89 honey show, as I have 6-24-70. Cross-wires on my end to be sure. I really like that 10-16-89 Stranger and post drums from D/S on.

Thanks b

btw- I will always listen to Mexicali, but never Tennessee.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 21, 2011 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hi Ho bkidwell

I do like the Visions of Johanna from 3/18/95 very much, and the space is really good, long and sometimes entrancing with a cool full band free jam after the drummers come back, but the rest of it fails to excite me much. I agree it's strong relative to 95.

If you thought I had a "special" 89 show, maybe you were thinking about my recent 7/18/90 campaign, since that has those digits in sequence inside the date? That is a show I love and it's special to me since it was my first bootleg, the first time I heard live GD, the Tape That Started It All for me, and I still think it's a great show, although there are plenty of 1990 shows that are even better.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 21, 2011 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hi Ho bkidwell

I did switch the years from '89 to '90.

Speaking of '90, some time I would like to debate->

Resolved, 3-24-90 is a much better show then 3-29-90.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 22, 2011 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1986 and the Junes of 92 and 93

A few thoughts on this post...

* Don't cast aside '86 so quickly. Ever hear the first post-coma show (12/15/86)? It's sort of stunning how well Jerry plays given that he had to re-learn how to play the guitar. I avoided 1986 for a long time, but this show really changed my mind -- http://www.archive.org/details/gd1986-12-15.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.99035.sbeok.flac16

* I saw both 6/8 and 6/9/93 in person. 6/9 was a great show, with a nice H/S/F, Bertha, and one of the coolest Wharf jams I've ever heard. But other than a GREAT Bird Song (one of the best I ever saw), 6/8 was sort of disappointing.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 22, 2011 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1986 and the Junes of 92 and 93

I like the post-coma shows in 86 also. I should have differentiated, because in my mind, I group the December 86 shows with 87, I agree they are good.

I agree 6/9/93 is even better than 6/8, but I think 6/8 is still pretty strong, I've always thought Truckin should have been used as a 2nd set opener more often, and New Speedway Boogie is always a winner, for me, just a great song and one of the revivals of the late era I thought always worked well.

What "makes" June of 93 for me is the dexterity and fluency and precision of Garcia's playing, and the band having a very tight rhythmic feel to back it up.

Given how much the band's fans focus on Garcia and how much we tend to judge performances (especially late era performances) on the basis of how well he was playing, I'm always surprised people haven't noticed just how much better his guitar work in June of 93 is relative to the average of the last decade or so of his life. Even in some of the great shows from 89-91, his playing isn't always crisp in terms of rhythmic subdivision, but a lot of his runs in June 93 are like perfectly cut diamonds, and the drummers seem tighter than usual also, much more snap and crackle than the sometimes muddy and heavy sound when the two drummers are dragging a bit.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 22, 2011 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1986 and the Junes of 92 and 93

Listened to a little bit of 6/8 first set today. A little better than I remember. Might have at the rest of it later on. I'll let you know if I have any new impressions.

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Poster: vapors Date: Jul 22, 2011 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1986 and the Junes of 92 and 93

Just have to beat the drum and state that those 1986 comeback shows were mighty special. One of the years that I saw every show, and back then I loved every note I heard.

Since coming here have I developed a sharper appreciation and perspective for matters concerning worthy performances, which early on I thought of as a curse, but am learning to take it all in stride. :)

Today I recognize the good fortune we all share in being able to readily listen to so much of the catalog, and to read fine postings by the many talents represented on this forum. And don’t blush now, but having you contribute here is really quite a treat.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 21, 2011 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hi Ho bkidwell

1992 is a tough year to get into, and I've tried. There is a cluster of decent shows in May/June. The Cal Expo run from 5/19-21 is fairly well-regarded. One nice thing about this run is th relative lack of crappy new songs. Jerry had just come off of touring with Grisman, so his chops were pretty solid, even if his heart was getting larger and larger with each passing day. Isn't that just like Jerry -- to get sick from having too big a heart?

I'm also pretty fond of the 6/8 show at Richfield, but I was there, so take that into consideration. Great first set and a terrific post-space.

For what it's worth, I was also at 6/9 and I think that show was terrible by comparison.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 21, 2011 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hi Ho bkidwell

bk's 7-19-94 is like GD crack to me.

See. The last few GD years weren't a complete meltdown. I know that if we spend more time really looking closely, who knows what fun things we will find boys & girls! New ecstasy's! And the inevitable manic hunts that end in famine and lots of '68.

CH is like, "Dude, what are you doing?" Shaking his head as he pops a sweet '73 in and I am running through Dec. '92 shows 3 at time.

I will only stick to the recs provided. I will not go to any browsing or index page. Unless it's to look for a better source. Naturally. And I do need to hear the Ornette Coleman, Space > TOO, again.....

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jul 21, 2011 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hi Ho bkidwell

micah, If I may make a suggestion. Being the DEW nut that I am, I do how 2 prime slices from 92 and 94

Check out the Dew from 1992-03-23 and the dew from 1994-03-27 if you've never heard them.

ALSO! *&((*&)^)^%)%%( there is a must hear Music> Sugaree> MUsic from 1994-07-02

if you have never heard this, well you can thank me later heh

http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-07-02.sbd.stevens.10980.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 21, 2011 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: listening for the secret, searching for the sound

I often have to laugh at myself for how excited I get sometimes hearing something new, especially given that most non-heads don't understand how hearing the 250th version of a song can be something "new"!

Recently, someone referenced the really amazing 8/3/69 set with guest musicians and it was a new discovery for me, I'm still trying to assimilate just how unique and important this tape is, I still need to listen several more times before I can even make an evaluation, it still makes me feel like I'm hallucinating a crazy alternate universe 69 Jazz dead. This show is too interesting to be real! I can't imagine how much people must have freaked when it dropped.

Hearing the sbd of 7/19/94 Playin' a couple years ago was the same sort of thing, it was a big part of inducing me to go nuts listening to as many versions of Playin from all eras as I could. I learned from that there were a lot of relatively unknown Playin->Drums where interesting things happen, because I think people tend to be drawn to sets with more segues and songs. I'm still wondering if there are some more jams with really big peaks lurking in obscure spots, I was hoping to find a lot more than I have. Jams that just wander are the most common, jams with a meltdown/noise peak of various intensity are less common but there are still quite a few, jams where the band ends up on the same chord and peaks out on it rather than making it the start of the next song are the rare orchid I seek for yet rarely find. Fortunately, I still have thousands of hours of tape to hear, although I often am drawn back to Familiar Favorites rather than setting out with compass, machete, and pith helmet.

Good luck in your searches, fellow Sonic Spelunker!